How Trading The Draft Pick Used On Marc Staal Led To Thrashers Departure From Atlanta | Trade Trees

  • Опубликовано: 25 дней назад

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    Steve Dangle discusses the 2005 draft-day trade between the New York Rangers and Atlanta Thrashers, which led to New York selecting Marc Staal and the eventual departure of the Thrashers from Atlanta.
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Robert Reed
Robert Reed

You gotta go back and do the daymond langkow tree for the flyers. It can technically start earlier in the mid 90s with mike sillinger. It is still active today

5 дней назад
Nick Redfield
Nick Redfield

Hey, Alex Bourret, I know that name! Played some time with the Wichita Thunder, he was a really pesky guy who could put points up at a nice clip.

7 дней назад
Ross Gustafson
Ross Gustafson

Atlanta left because they had no arena. They were profitable and had fans. But without an arena, they could not play.

8 дней назад
Neil T
Neil T

Wow you shot this a long time ago

12 дней назад
Mango71
Mango71

Sandis Ozolinsh and Owen Nolan

14 дней назад
βэςтг
βэςтг

I think you should do a trade tree involving the Wild

14 дней назад
j8ste
j8ste

You should do a Mark Messier to NYR trade tree it had future considerations that became Jeff Beukeboom. That branch of the trade tree is ridiculous.

14 дней назад
Zhas Xukuth
Zhas Xukuth

Insert Ralph gif I'M LEARNING

15 дней назад
William Gumm
William Gumm

Pavelec popped off for the Wolves when they went on their cup run in ‘08

17 дней назад
Carleton Rutherford
Carleton Rutherford

Just an fyi, Colby is a type of cheese, and Armstrong BC originally made Armstrong cheese. Does that make Colby Armstrong extra cheesy?

17 дней назад
Carleton Rutherford
Carleton Rutherford

Bruce, you dropped this on August 30th, but you didn't know who Seattle selected in the expansion draft? You need to follow hockey more!

17 дней назад
Neil Peters
Neil Peters

Dude, did you just whiff on the logan Stanley pick?? That was Vesalinin. I swear, this is the first time I have ever known a hockey thing that you didn't. Makes me feel good

17 дней назад
Peace be the Journey
Peace be the Journey

Staal is heating up (wings fan)

17 дней назад
Evilbone1984
Evilbone1984

Cam Neely... go.

18 дней назад
aaron Ingrassia
aaron Ingrassia

Any trade trees involving the red wings in the lates 90's and 00's?

19 дней назад
Alec Seaman
Alec Seaman

Red Wings legend

19 дней назад
Gordon Knoerl
Gordon Knoerl

I like Marc on the wings

20 дней назад
Josh Macmillan
Josh Macmillan

Make a sandis ozolinsh trade tree!!!! Will not disappoint!!

20 дней назад
William M. Buttlicker
William M. Buttlicker

DO THE TREVOR LINDEN TRADE TREE!!! IT LEADS TO LUONGO!!!

21 день назад
Jerry Gordy
Jerry Gordy

Steve, if you do the math... it's 2 games below 0.500

21 день назад
HDreamer
HDreamer

Like Povalec, Eric Christensen ended up playing for the Rangers as well, likely more games than for Atlanta.

21 день назад
Nikola Tesla
Nikola Tesla

You would think brothers would lay off each other? I'm not saying Eric shouldn't have hit Marc but Eric hit him pretty hard, I mean that was a good hard clean hit but, c'mon man it's your brother..smh, lol... Of course the Lindros brothers fought once - Eric and Brett, lol... Interestingly enough I don't recall the Sutter brothers ever getting into it with each other, and when you consider the type of blue collar game they played that's pretty crazy.. I mean I'm a Hawks fan and all of them played for the Hawks except for Brian, he was the Hawks coach tho..

21 день назад
Billy Howell
Billy Howell

Thanks for the "We forget a fanbase lost their team." As an Alabamian, I have only split my Red Wings loyalty when the Thrashers existed. I was even a minor Jets fan after the move until their media and fans kept giving Thrashers fans the middle finger. The retro jersey being devoid of any little nod was the final straw. Winnipeg can lose every game from now on for all I care. I don't know why you would want to throw away potential fans (i.e. merchandise dollars), but the franchise, fans, and media all decided it was for the best. So, screw them.

22 дня назад
IмР
IмР

Geez talk about horrible drafting.

22 дня назад
Alex Racco
Alex Racco

Staal brothers are from my hometown Thunder Bay ON Canada 🇨🇦

23 дня назад
Alvin
Alvin

are you sure you are not mark recchi's long lost twin brother

23 дня назад
Michael Hiltz
Michael Hiltz

"Why didn't Hockey work in Atlanta?" Maybe because it is in Georgia? With the exception of Florida and Texas, there are 8 states in a row, from south Carolina, to New Mexico that don't have an NHL team. Why? because those are some really hot states, New Mexico is mostly desert. To be honest I'm surprised that Arizona has been able to hold on to an NHL team for this long.

23 дня назад
TheSonicsean
TheSonicsean

I think the only reason they didn't move around the same time the Thrashers did is because Gary Bettman really wants an excuse to to go Phoenix for work.

21 день назад
Philly of the North
Philly of the North

Steve you forgot that Winnipeg turned in the draft rights for Leveille to the league and were given the same pick in the following draft but one round later (2013 59th) which they used for the new backup goalie Eric Comrie so I think that should be a branch also. Do not believe you can still return 1st rounders and get compensated with a second anymore so i am sure thats why you probably missed it.

23 дня назад
Nate Ballou
Nate  Ballou

I think u need to do a trade tree on the Leafs drafting Tuukka Rask and trading him to Bruins!

23 дня назад
A Tsang
A Tsang

Steve, would you do a video on 'future considerations' that actually worked out?

23 дня назад
Michael Franklib
Michael Franklib

Do the Tuukka Rask trade tree lol

23 дня назад
Paul L
Paul L

A guy I knew in High school contributed to the end of Atlanta and bringing the Jets back?? That's amazing.

23 дня назад
Will P.
Will P.

Is he a dirt bag?

21 день назад
Darren Barnes
Darren Barnes

Brendan Shanahan for Chris Pronger!

23 дня назад
daanyaal jafri
daanyaal jafri

I'm so glad someone else knows the kickass and chew bubblegum phrase haha thanks Steve!

23 дня назад
Jakub Šichta
Jakub Šichta

Omg … Pavelec reads basically as it would be Paveletz …

24 дня назад
Jeffrey Kohut
Jeffrey Kohut

@sportsnet - HEY STEVE DANGLE... you screwed up the trade tree! The Jets didn't take Logan Stanley, THEY TOOK Kristian Vesalainen!

24 дня назад
Jeffrey Kohut
Jeffrey Kohut

Steve, Ondrej Pavelec was an AWFUL goaltender! 22-16-8 = 24 games he lost, 8 in OT/Shootout. Even his .920 season he was only good against the WORST teams in the NHL, and went 3 months... THREE MONTHS, without beating a single team who ended up making the playoffs! I know that stat because I had to tell people how bad he REALLY was!

24 дня назад
dodgers ALL day
dodgers ALL day

Clearly you didn’t do the math 22-16-8 is 22 and 24

24 дня назад
anthony moring
anthony moring

Every single player in 2021 is worried about getting Colby Armstronged to the Sabres lol

24 дня назад
Ryan Santourian
Ryan Santourian

Wanna feel worse Thrashers fans? They originally had the 8th overall pick before trading down with the Sharks to 12. Now the 8th pick was Devin Setoguchi. Not bad, had a 30 goal and 60 point season in 08-09. But 11th overall was the real prize they missed. Anze Kopitar. As a Kings fan, I thank you and all of the other 9 (I don't count Pittsburgh cause Crosby) for passing on him

24 дня назад
Flying Tiger
Flying Tiger

Steve: “Four brothers drafted into the NHL is slightly ridiculous.” Me: “ Steve you have heard of the Sutter family right?” (For those who don’t know 6 brothers who all played in the NHL and six sons who all play or are still playing or have played hockey just not all in the NHL. One of those sons is Brandon who currently plays for the Canucks.)

24 дня назад
Brenden Sergent
Brenden Sergent

Honestly I miss the thrashers. Its going to be annoying when Bettman takes 1 billion dollars to try and revive them and not accept the same amount to shut up everyone in Quebec and bring back the Nordiques

24 дня назад
Tom Gederman
Tom Gederman

Anyone who says future considerations don’t make for exciting trades clearly have never met Kris Draper

24 дня назад
Martin Jensen
Martin Jensen

I love Trade Trees. Just not enjoying the generic Rock n roll back ground music. It's a bit distracting. Just saying.

24 дня назад
David Manning
David Manning

I'd love to see a trade tree involving Mark Recchi.

24 дня назад
somanycats
somanycats

I hate criticizing videos that I enjoy, but I'm just going to throw it out there, I'm not a fan of the little rock track in the background. It's not that the music itself is bad, it just sounds like you're contending with the audio track, and I prefer the old subtle background music. Great video as always, I'll watch them either way.

24 дня назад
James Sylvestre
James Sylvestre

This isn’t the Craig Rivet trade either. Where is it Steve? Where are you hiding it?

24 дня назад
Swaggleboon
Swaggleboon

Speaking of Staal brothers, could we get an episode on the Jordan Staal trade tree? I've worked out a few trees from the last 10 years or so and the Jordan Staal tree is *so much bigger* than I thought it would be! That one was a really interesting deep dive.

24 дня назад
brent boutcher
brent boutcher

Steve you weren't joking , you left some awesome material for us be tied over with till you back

24 дня назад
JT
JT

11:08 The Jets chose Vesalainen. Stanley was drafted in 2016 at 18th overall.

24 дня назад
Alexandre Chaput
Alexandre Chaput

I would like to see a Craig Rivet Montreal to San Jose trade tree

24 дня назад
ryrad44
ryrad44

The Craig Rivet Trade to the SJ sharks is a favorite of mine

24 дня назад
Isaac Christie
Isaac Christie

But hossa could have 5 though if it was backwards lol

24 дня назад
Kenny Cai
Kenny Cai

A little off-topic here, but seeing how the Penguins fleeced the Thrashers/Jets makes me angry cause of the utter hypocrisy displayed by a small minority of Penguins fans (the uber-Yinzers). They complain so much about us Capitals fleecing us over the Jaromir Jagr trade, but when their team fleeces another, they act all smug and behave like their front office is the best in the world. It's like that rich kid who brags about the shiny sports car they drive around, and then get pissy when they see that once-broke classmate driving the exact same car in front of them, like they are the only ones who "deserve" to drive that particular car.

24 дня назад
wezzee
wezzee

I'd love a video about the whole Trevor Linden to the Islanders trade. I'm pretty sure it led to the West Coast Express and the 2011 Stanley cup run.

24 дня назад
deBebbler
deBebbler

Staal was pretty serviceable last season paired with Troy Stecher. When the Wings resigned him for $2M, I was OK with that. Yzerman was paid a pick to take on a garbage contract, at zero cost to him, as he had cap space for miles and expected a dismal season. Sound asset management. Add to that, he managed to squeeze some good value on the ice from the year of that contract, and then resigned a solid veteran at a significant discount. More good asset management. After fleecing Washington for Vrana and a first round pick in the Mantha trade, things got interesting. At the time of the trade, most would have expected that first round pick to be around 30th. because how are the Caps not going to make the ECF? They are a wagon, right? Wrong. Their first round exit bumped that pick all the way up to 23rd. Moving up 8 spots from 30th to 22nd really isn't that much of a value increase in terms of the players available (usually). A club isn't often going to pay to do that. However, if you can move up 8 spaces and be in the top half of the first round, that can really get you a great player. So he then flipped that Staal pick with the Caps first rounder to trade up in round one and snag Sebastian Cossa, who could become a significant asset in goal. He also had to trade a third pick to move up, but all three picks were picks that he traded to acquire. He made sure to keep all of the Wings picks, as they were the highest picks in every round. Even on the micro level, his asset management is solid. I would normally say, "Who is this guy?", but I already know. IN THE YZERPLAN WE TRUST.

24 дня назад
John Stanton
John Stanton

Man I remember thorburn playing in Rochester when he was trying to make it to the Sabres. Guy was a warrior, wish I could’ve seen him with the Sabres more!

24 дня назад
bsinger51
bsinger51

Dangle, you HAVE to look at the deal that sent Brendan Shanahan from St. Louis to Hartford in the early 90's. Not only does it involve a few future Hall of Famers, but it eventually leads to St. Louis drafting Jordan Binnington, who was a key part of the Blues' first Stanley Cup. Please look at this tree!

24 дня назад
Lee L.
Lee L.

I find it funny that I was watching Tree's Atlanta vid before this

24 дня назад
McWerp
McWerp

The music over the intro was very distracting.

24 дня назад
JckleVODS
JckleVODS

anyone else completely forget that E. Staal was a Ranger??

24 дня назад
Joe Laposata
Joe Laposata

Marc Andre Fleury to Chicago trade tree

24 дня назад
Spencer Hayes-Freeman
Spencer Hayes-Freeman

Do more detroit ones! If you want. I dont care bc i like content. But I’m a wings guy

24 дня назад
Nicolas Bédard
Nicolas Bédard

The local media and fans in Montreal wanted to crucify Bob Gainey for drafting Max Pacioretty and Ryan McDonagh instead of Angelo Esposito and David Perron

24 дня назад
Habs Hockey
Habs Hockey

The jets could of had Nick Suzuki

24 дня назад
Habs Hockey
Habs Hockey

Imagine trading hossa for nothing same for Dupuis

24 дня назад
Habs Hockey
Habs Hockey

Do the jaroslav halak trade tree from Montreal to St. Louis

24 дня назад
ryan phillips
ryan phillips

jinnipeg wets

24 дня назад
shawn doublett
shawn doublett

You should do the tuukka rask trade tree. Awesome video by the way

24 дня назад
Alex D
Alex D

Hey Steve, a while ago you took a request and did the Jeff Carter trade tree. Even though how the pick used to select Carter wasn't explained (gotten in the Daymond Langkow deal with Pheonix, before that Langkow was aquired by PHI and Mikael Renberg), it was very entertaining. Now I propose: How the Mike Richards trade to LA lead to a Blues Stanley cup or something like that. Thank you!

24 дня назад
Ojvind Svinhufvud
Ojvind Svinhufvud

😍😍😍

24 дня назад
Neirsin
Neirsin

Is there something like these on Scott Stevens?

24 дня назад
Jonathan Côté
Jonathan Côté

you should do the Craig Rivet trade tree, in the end Montreal got Gorges and Pacioretty and then Suzuki and Tatar

24 дня назад
Geoff Istopheles
Geoff Istopheles

I'd recommend how Anaheim trading Teemu Selanne to San Jose got them Corey Perry and Rob Niedermayer. While it's not directly linked to the trade tree, when Scott Niedermayer signed later, he explicitly mentioned wanting to win a cup with his brother, so interesting footnote to the tree. Whole thing started as seeing if Winnipeg/Phoenix got anything out of the trade, and the only interesting thing was Oleg Tverdovsky being traded from Anaheim to Winnipeg as part of the deal, then getting traded back to Anaheim, then getting traded WITH Teemu this time.

24 дня назад
Brian Turko
Brian Turko

Stanley was protected and will probably be on the third pairing with Demelo to start the season

24 дня назад
Hatakaca
Hatakaca

A nice trade to look into I think is Philly sending Mike Richards to the Kings for Simmons and Schenn a nice little trade with some names that immediately helped the kings win the Stanley cup in 2012

24 дня назад
Streetkillz13
Streetkillz13

That trade also eventually turned into Joel Farabee and Morgan Frost for the Flyers. Out of Mike Richards, the Flyers got atleast 3 core pieces across 2 hockey generations.

24 дня назад
Scott Langley
Scott Langley

Getting traded to a team with Sidney Crosby probably kicks @$$

24 дня назад
Dane Clark
Dane Clark

MARC STAAL 4 NORRIS

24 дня назад
Erik Nilsson
Erik Nilsson

I actually remember seeing Alex Bourret play in Wichita in the Central Hockey League

24 дня назад
Joseph Batnjana
Joseph Batnjana

Another day of begging for the Craig Rivet/Josh Georges trade😁😁

24 дня назад
Glendon Hart
Glendon Hart

When do you think we will see a Tuuka Rask "tree" ? lol

24 дня назад
xXQuickpawXx
xXQuickpawXx

Probably around the same time the leafs win a cup so that it takes the edge off.

24 дня назад
bmantheawsome77
bmantheawsome77

sorry im a spitfires fan and logan stanley played for them he was drafted 18th overall in 2016 just had to let you know not trying to be rude who they took at 24th in 2017 is Kristian Vesalainen who was a very good pick at 24th

24 дня назад
John Ciolfi
John Ciolfi

The Ron Francis PIT-HFD trade in '91 is an absolute monster. Parts of that tree helped Pittsburgh draft Fleury 12 years later, helped bring Rod Brind'Amour to Carolina, and played (an admittedly) minor role in the Shanahan-Pronger trade in 95. You'd probably need to make a feature-length documentary to cover the whole thing, but it's pretty wild.

24 дня назад
Josh Cook
Josh Cook

Chris Thorburn went on to play with the Blues, I think?

24 дня назад
Erik Prosser
Erik Prosser

The Wings also traded that 2nd they got for taking Staal to Dallas to move up and draft Cossa

24 дня назад
MCF961
MCF961

That’s funny, I traded Zack Bogosian( from the jets) to the rangers for Marc Stall. #NHL12. He’s my all time points leader.

24 дня назад
Madman3d
Madman3d

Do the Tukka rask trade tree

24 дня назад
Alan Winkley
Alan Winkley

It's bonkers that this is titled the Marc Staal Trade Tree when in reality its the Devin Setoguchi circle, here we go; when the dust settled on the 2005 draft lottery ATL had the 8th overall pick, San Jose had the 12th and NYR had the 16th. Firstly, San Jose sent picks 12, 49 and 207 for pick number 8 (Devin Setoguchi). All the stuff in the video for WPG/NYR holds true but if we follow Setoguchi then he and Charlie Coyle and a 1st rd pick in 2011 get traded from SJ to MIN for Brent Burns and a 2nd rd pick in 2012. Setoguchi spends 2 years in MIN before being shipped to, you guessed it, WPG for a 2nd rd pick in 2014. The second round picks ended up being Pontus Aberg and Vitek Vanecek, both of whom were also traded thus creating even more branches. Would've made a much better video in my opinion.

24 дня назад
guillaume chartrand
guillaume chartrand

Please do the craig rivet to san jose trade

24 дня назад
Ryan Tsui
Ryan Tsui

If someone gets taken from the expansion draft we should include the next most valuable player in line for the trade tree, as technically that player would have been gone if they traded the player who did got taken prior.

24 дня назад
Jared Brown
Jared Brown

I wonder if the Steve Downie trade out of Tampa is connected to any trade tree...

24 дня назад
Hangiin Conners
Hangiin Conners

Horrible ownership never gave them a chance, they can’t put it together on the ice the fans won’t show up also a factor but that starts at the top. The coyotes are going to Texas but a good group could make Atlanta work

24 дня назад
Tharanga Herath
Tharanga Herath

What if Thrashers kept the 2005 1st round pick? ( Marc Staal )

24 дня назад
Hangiin Conners
Hangiin Conners

He would have been promptly traded as the ownership group demanded trading their young talent for old vets they could swap at the deadline. When they weren’t busy suing each other that is. Poor thrashers

24 дня назад
Max
Max

Who did draft Tuukka Rask? Oh... oh no... And who did they trade him for? Oh... dear god...

24 дня назад
Jim Criniti
Jim Criniti

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Robert Bortuzzo (the 2007 3rd rounder) flipped from Pittsburgh to the Blues in 2015 for Ian Cole, then winning a Cup with the 'Note in 2019. Am I missing some other aspect of that branch feeling incomplete?

24 дня назад
Joe Antico
Joe Antico

cam neely trade tree please

24 дня назад
zabu 49
zabu 49

would love it if you guys laid off on the stock "rock band" music in the background. maybe something more casual

24 дня назад
Theleafsfan07 Gaming
Theleafsfan07 Gaming

Steve you should do the tuukka rask trade tree🤣🤣

24 дня назад
McJohnson
McJohnson

I used to be a Thrashers fan; ironic given that I live in Calgary, the city that took their _first_ team away from them. But they had a great young offensive core in Kovalchuk, Heatley and (former Flame) Marc Savard, they had a baby blue alternate/home jersey that looked just gorgeous, and they had a goalie in Kari Lehtonen who'd put geeky stuff like Final Fantasy characters on his mask. What's not to like? Unfortunately, I think Heatley's little accident did more to damage that franchise than I think people fully comprehend, to say nothing of their ownership group's internal squabbles that led to them just ignoring the team altogether... The crazy thing is, I still think Atlanta could work as a hockey market, they just need to be given a *real* chance for once; I just realize that with -Philips- State Farm Arena's renovation into a basketball-only arena, _and_ with ATL behind in the count 0-2 already, that's not likely to ever happen again. Shame... Ah well; as it happens I kept cheering for the team even after the move, the Jets are my 3rd-favourite team now, behind the Flames and Canucks. :P

24 дня назад
TheSonicsean
TheSonicsean

Honestly if the team had better ownership they could have survived, having 7 owners who can't seem to agree on anything except 1) the Hawks are the priority and 2) they hate each other really really really hurts a team that's about a decade old and has won nothing.

21 день назад
Reed Miller
Reed Miller

Atlanta is a notoriously “bad sports town.” And yet the MLS club was well-received. Weird.

24 дня назад
kaslyan
kaslyan

On that side deal with Vegas, did Vegas really receive a third and the 13th overall for the 24th overall? It feels .. wrong?

24 дня назад
kaslyan
kaslyan

@Kyle Sigfusson thank you for clarifying that 🙂

23 дня назад
Kyle Sigfusson
Kyle Sigfusson

It was a side deal so that Vegas wouldn’t take Toby enstrom

24 дня назад

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