Canadiens Will Learn From How Jesperi Kotkaniemi's Development Was Handled | Tim & Friends

  • Опубликовано: 18 дней назад

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    Julian McKenzie of The Athletic joined Tim & Friends to discuss Marc Bergevin's comments on the Montreal Canadiens not matching Jesperi Kotkaniemi's offer sheet and trading for Christian Dvorak.

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When people play in Europe, it's still professional hockey. OHL is junior league. European top prospects play in full professional league, making decent bank.

10 дней назад
ChiefAutographSeeker
ChiefAutographSeeker

Enough with the boohoo about how KK was handled damn...Look at CC a 15th pick and he chose to thrive with a more subtle route! CC made his calculated choice and KK made his! KK said at 18 I'll do my best to make the roster chasing that $$$ and not say I'll go back to Finland to further my development....That was on him and his contract greedy agent...Even then, KK was a 3rd overall draft pick, picked out of necessity and not based on a central scouting rank...He was and is destined to be a bust with his overlooked skating mechanics...The kid skates like a giraffe ffs! Enjoy that 6.1 while it lasts kid 👍 I'll never see that much lol jmtc

13 дней назад
Cedrik Thibert
Cedrik Thibert

He isn't worth 6M a year.

13 дней назад
Samuel Dion-Piché
Samuel Dion-Piché

Really amazing GM that did an awesome job, I hope Bergevin is back next years

13 дней назад
Bolo
Bolo

Some ppl or most ppl think Danault is a third line center at best, to me I really believe he's a second line center at best, he had two seasons where he had around 50 points, they Drafted KK because they thought Danault was a third line center, if they had thought Danault was a second line center then they would have drafted Brady Trachuck whose a winger and was considered one of the best players in the draft or the best player but the bottom line is that in the first round or maybe second round you draft the best player available and then after the first and second round you draft based on positional needs because that's someone was saying and it's true but the player they draft is what it is there is no going back, they drafted KK based on positional needs and not the best player available.

14 дней назад
bobby boucher
bobby boucher

this is pure cancer , why do you guys have a show, you are the worst wow!!! by 10K milles

15 дней назад
bobby boucher
bobby boucher

STFU with Logan, no one is talking about it your just cancer get lost BOYS

15 дней назад
Jamieson
Jamieson

This guy is a hockey commentator? Lmfao, ok

15 дней назад
Raury Mauk
Raury Mauk

Drovak makes Montreal better as a whole down the middle for the now and the future. People look at and say Drovak isn't that good but he's really really good player was one of the best players on Coyotes. He will hit between 40 50 points. Drovak will fit nicely we have better wingers than Coyotes Drovak will have his best year in NHL this upcoming season Mark my words.

16 дней назад
Adrian Stevens
Adrian Stevens

Beregevin kinda a idiot for the offer sheet, and the bad draft pick

16 дней назад
Ravenman 45
Ravenman 45

Dvorak>KK

16 дней назад
Ravenman 45
Ravenman 45

Kk does not deserve even close to $6,000,000 per year. Thats what i learned

16 дней назад
Zhas Xukuth
Zhas Xukuth

Julian: "Maybe the Canadiens have learned from this..." That was a lesson for Marc 10 years ago. It was never on this scale, but I can't remember a time when I didn't hear this very same thing every few years.

16 дней назад
mel leblanc
mel leblanc

KK was the wrong pick from day 1, should have been Brady. Bergy made the best of this with the 2 pics, now Canes have a project to work on!

16 дней назад
Jeannette de Blois
Jeannette de Blois

I think Dvorack might have played on the same line with Anderson with the London Knights?

16 дней назад
Jeremy Kematch
Jeremy Kematch

Marner n Domi.

16 дней назад
Belle Dorris
Belle Dorris

Okay a kid was good enough for a certain coach and had good times and harder times... so now they are suppose to learn from that... its sports... okay so he would be in the minors bitching fans bitching and he would have not a 6 millions contract... the truth is that Carolina overpaid for a player that is not that great..

16 дней назад
Juho Laitakari
Juho Laitakari

The guy was right there with Suzuki before trading for Eric Staal.

16 дней назад
Cal B
Cal B

Habs management hasn't learned anything. Galchenyuk, anyone? The Hab should trade away all their draft picks. They couldn't develop a picture even if they had all the right chemicals, paper and the negative. They are incompitent. If you're not NHL ready, stay away from these clowns. Keep treating high draft picks like crap and they will refuse to even report. Asses.

16 дней назад
Raymond Clouston
Raymond Clouston

What will they learn??…that he didn’t develope faster? He had more than an opportunity…lets all save our tears now…

16 дней назад
shnarfy
shnarfy

Both partys affiliated with Montreal won, the third party remains to be seen.

16 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

Learn? This oldass inbred organization wont lean. I feel bad for the fans.

16 дней назад
Lemmy Kilmister
Lemmy Kilmister

it'd be about time they learn, after screwing up with so many first rounders, two third overalls especially. every time they drafted out of desperate need instead of picking the best player available it backfired (McCaron, Tinordi, Galchenyuk. KK) and everytime they brought in an 18 it backfired (Galchenyuk, Mete, Latendresse, KK).

16 дней назад
Lemmy Kilmister
Lemmy Kilmister

@bobby boucher read the stats? Do you mean the incredible stats ovrr the years by Latendresse, Galchenyuk, McCarron, Tinordi, hell even LeBlanc and also kk?? KK isn't bad by any stretch and I like him as a player. I actually sad to see him go. My point was that the team's management of first rounders is terrible when you look at the output they got from it.

15 дней назад
bobby boucher
bobby boucher

oufff please go read the stats haha wow your deluted

15 дней назад
Skanzool
Skanzool

Dvorak is a great player. By the way, nobody wants Jack Eichel. Great comments from Julian.

17 дней назад
Jonathan Probonas
Jonathan Probonas

1. Christian Dvorak is an improvement of KK. We are excited to see stability with Suzuki and Dvorak down the middle. 2. KK said the Hurricanes are going to help his development... Meanwhile the hurricanes have announced that he will be playing on the wing. He is NOT a good winger... He lacks agility, and speed. Often get knocked down near the boards... He will end up on a 3rd line. 3. KK had the same problem as Galchenyuk. EGO... I don't get it. You're 20 years old... it's okay to be benched or sit in a press box so that you can clear your mind and maybe watch a game or two, to get you out of a slump. You literally scored the next game... You probably wouldn't have played as well if you weren't benched.. and that's the consistency problem you have shown throughout your 170 gp... 4. Maturity... Dvorak is going to be surrounded by some great wingers. He has the maturity to handle the pressure of a 2nd line C in Montreal and understands the expectations. KK was crumbling under the pressure and only played his best when he was trying to "prove a point" to the management. I wish him the best, but if he doesn't mature and put his ego aside, he will end up the next Scherbak and Galchenyuk. Getting paid what you're worth is fine. Holding out for a little more money is fine. The fact that he didn't want to take a bridge deal, help his team, earn his salary shows more about him than he thinks. If you were so sure of yourself, you would have eventually earned the raise and gotten paid the big bucks... Carolina looks so stupid.

17 дней назад
Bia Rocha
Bia Rocha

finally a smart comment 🙌

16 дней назад
Belle Dorris
Belle Dorris

At 6 million a year why are we talking developing.... at that salary player should be top notch...

16 дней назад
NyRangersfan1357
NyRangersfan1357

Why are people acting like his 1st season was bad. It was literally his best season. He was not rushed

17 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

Yeeah 99% of 18 y/o centres in the league are rushed

16 дней назад
GoatKaniemi
GoatKaniemi

He was rushed

16 дней назад
Mark C
Mark C

Bergy has convinced me over the last few years that he is a genius. Tremendously shrewd, opportunistic, and decisive. GHG

17 дней назад
Mark C
Mark C

@Cedrik Thibert until Jan 1st

13 дней назад
Cedrik Thibert
Cedrik Thibert

@Mark C KK isn't worth 6M that's true. We've got a second 1 rst round pick and another 3 rd round pick next draft for free.

13 дней назад
Cedrik Thibert
Cedrik Thibert

His first round pick was a genius move, because of his criminal record hs is no longer allowed to play for the London Knights.

13 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

@Mark C keep the copium up

16 дней назад
Mark C
Mark C

@Panaramaman no he didn't...fake news...and has are stronger for it...ciao

16 дней назад
Jordan Stapleton
Jordan Stapleton

He hasn't shown flashes, that's the problem. He's still young but after three years he's made no progress.

17 дней назад
Alex Boutin
Alex Boutin

At some point, age has to stop being an excuse for everything. especially if the player himself uses that as an excuse for himself.

17 дней назад
Sabres Fan 2021
Sabres Fan 2021

Why all the talk of KK's poor development??. Perhaps it's more of expecting 3rd overall talent out of perhaps a fringe top 15 pick. This kid was never going to be that good. We all know by now it was more of a need pick and when you draft for need this is what happens.

17 дней назад
Cedrik Thibert
Cedrik Thibert

If Carolina is able to change his work ethic, I lift them my hat off because that's very difficult to do This is also the reason why he was playing on the thid line insreD of the first line. If he played very well every game, he would be on the first line and he would score 30+ goals.

13 дней назад
Cedrik Thibert
Cedrik Thibert

KK's biggest problem is not his lack of talent. He is définitwly NHL ready. His biggest problem is the worse of all: It's effort. He is often lazy and he doesn't show up every game. One game he csn dominate the other team on the nice and score 2 goals, the next one you even wonder if he is actually playing beaucoup he's completely invisible and doesn't get close to have the puck.

13 дней назад
Cedrik Thibert
Cedrik Thibert

The question: Is KK worth 6M per year, + first round pick + 3 rd round pick. The answer is an obvious ABSOLUTELY NOT. So Carolina Hurricanes's GM is STUPID. Montreal humiliated the Hurricanes because they wanted to trade him anyway and they never would have had a first round pick and a third round pick to begin with. You can talk about development all you want but a third pick overall who only scored 5 goals and received 15 assists in 56 games for his 3 rd NHL season isn't worth 6M per yeae and even less a first round pick. What a stupid move by the Hurricanes!

13 дней назад
Kurt Callaghan
Kurt Callaghan

Might have been the worst year ever for Centers. Top 5 picks you take the best player.

16 дней назад
Zed Linski
Zed Linski

this makes living in the evil apartheid nation of canada that much better

17 дней назад
JoE 420
JoE 420

Nice to see Julian on the show. 👍

17 дней назад
Keith Greene
Keith Greene

god these media dicks have no clue so many times

17 дней назад
S. Buick
S. Buick

Great move by Bergevin. Best trade he has done in his Habs' career as GM. Bigger than getting Weber. The Suzuki trade may be 1a. and this is 1b. This makes the Habs better and KK gone is good riddance from a player who did not want to the there.

17 дней назад
Archer143
Archer143

lol. His best trade is either Suzuki or Weber.

16 дней назад
Rob Gillis
Rob Gillis

Best trade in his career what!!!!

17 дней назад
sam93931
sam93931

Montreal was in a tough spot.. we had NO center back then, Drouin needed to play center and so did KK even at his young age..... It's a shame, but you make do with what you got. Carolina aren't smarter here, they say they are putting KK as a winger cause guess what, their center lines are stacked. His developpment won't be any better in Carolina, will be worse!

17 дней назад
Morningwood
Morningwood

I feel like everyone won. Arizona with the picks, Montreal with the proven center at a friendly contract, Carolina with the Finnish prospect. 🤷‍♂️ I’ll miss KK and wish him the best.

17 дней назад
Gamer4Life
Gamer4Life

Carolina is the biggest joke in NHL..... They lost two of their good players to give KK this money....this will not turn out good for them.... revenge never pays...

17 дней назад
Gary Bettman Jr.
Gary Bettman Jr.

Carolina the biggest joke in the NHL? Have you ever heard of a team called the Toronto Maple Leafs?

17 дней назад
maxpowr90
maxpowr90

Why does it look like his hand is smoking a blunt at the start of this video?

17 дней назад
Pesky Fervid
Pesky Fervid

The Hurricanes have a lot of faith that KK won't suddenly decide to let his existing contract run out without an extension. Meanwhile, KK is now the third highest paid player on the 'Canes, and I doubt that will sit well in the dressing room. Quite a few good players there who aren't making what KK is. I'll guess we'll see how it pans out.

17 дней назад
Archer143
Archer143

lmao no way. He’s actually their third highest paid player? That’s insane.

16 дней назад
VoodooBeats
VoodooBeats

"bergavin opened the door to acknowledging that their might have been some mishaps with KK" No he didn't. Also, listen to yourself. That's the wackiest quote I've heard in a while. Sorta maybe could of opened the door sort of maybe???

17 дней назад
ELMB
ELMB

Did KK ever say to someone he needs more development or did the Canadians let someone who would turn into a needy player that is not able to reach their potential and blame others for it go. Canadians got a solid player with Davorak, Drouin will be back strong and they get great draft picks in the return. Canadians did not pay a kid who is not worth the dollar amount. I can't see how Carolina is seen as the winner in this deal when they give up draft picks and overpay an unproven player.

17 дней назад
bobby boucher
bobby boucher

the media are dumb and pay people to come and write fake comments lol. the media is almost dead lets watch and see it all burn to the woke grounds

15 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

@floxy20 lol right, ”droun will be back strong” now how the fk would you even know that?

16 дней назад
floxy20
floxy20

Everyone knows he's being overpaid but it's for only one year. If Carolina wanted to "hurt" Montreal for the Aho offer sheet they would have said "you keep KK for the last year, we pass." Drouin will be back strong? Remembering his troubles in Tampa Bay (as well) I think this guy's problems are more serious.

17 дней назад
Hunter 1213
Hunter 1213

The habs strictly got better with the addition of Dvorak, he’s better both offensively and defensively than KK.

17 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

Ah yes, the taste of denial

16 дней назад
rob rick
rob rick

KK is only 21..........just like Suzuki and look at the difference. Good moves by Bergy.

17 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

@M Lind yep lmao. They just throw these young kids to the wolves. The whole point of young guys in the minors is building confidence and developing. But this inbred franchise and its fans dont get that. And when you tell them this they just say ”caufield” when caufield hasnt even played a season yet. They only go by his playoff performance, and if you point out KKs playoff performance its ”irrelevant” They in denial

16 дней назад
M Lind
M Lind

KK is 1 year younger than Suzuki. When KK was playing his first season in NHL, Suzuki was still in the minors. Suzuki got 2 years more time to develop, because he wasn't in the Montreal Le Mismanagement team.

17 дней назад
Baz Mitch
Baz Mitch

@RPM and the not bitter answer would be you don’t care 😂

17 дней назад
Baz Mitch
Baz Mitch

@RPM he’s going to play with Aho and Teravainen, or Trocheck and Necas. My Granny could score 20 + goals if she played on a line with either of that pair as line mates.

17 дней назад
Baz Mitch
Baz Mitch

@RPM KK scores 20 goals next season over/under?

17 дней назад
Vincent CB
Vincent CB

The joke is on you now Carolina

17 дней назад
Habs 16
Habs 16

Not like every one of our prospects has become a bust in the last 15 years

17 дней назад
Jason
Jason

@bobby boucher thanks for proving his point. price is over the 15 year limit so hes excluded. Kotki bust, caufield yet to be seen, (if you think hes going to be unreal remember everyone liked kotki his first season too.) Sergachevs alright but no superstar. patches subban and gally are really the only 3 exceptional players youve drafted in 15 years.

15 дней назад
bobby boucher
bobby boucher

Price suziki caufeild Kaiden Guhle Jesperi Kotkaniemi Mikhail Sergachev for droin Victor Mete Alexander Romanov Ryan McDonagh Max Pacioretty P.K. Subban want me to continue??? oh we got shea weber for suban and suziki from you tell me :D I think the scouting is ok lol please go read

15 дней назад
GoatKaniemi
GoatKaniemi

@Jason patch

16 дней назад
Jason
Jason

@Adam pretty sure thats over 15 years. Other than gallagher what great draft picks have ya made?? Subban was ok, what else yas got?

17 дней назад
Adam
Adam

Including Carey Price !

17 дней назад
jaymie fabe
jaymie fabe

tkcpr vyn.fyi

17 дней назад
habshabsrule
habshabsrule

Hey Carolina. Take a big fat L! 👋

17 дней назад
Daniel Slapcoff
Daniel Slapcoff

Can a team that drafted Mailloux learn anything? Do they have the ability to reason?

17 дней назад
Archer143
Archer143

​@Matt Northmore Greg Wyshynski had revealed either the night of or during the days following the draft that there were apparently multiple teams interested in drafting Logan in the second round. Even if he was from Montreal, how would that be him trying to save the Habs some face? It's not like this kind of news should come as a major surprise. As a matter a fact, I would have been surprised if not a single team would have drafted him at all. Do you actually believe that the Habs are the only team who would draft a scum bag just because he's good at hockey? The only reason the other teams didn't want to draft him in the first round was because they would have received the criticism the Habs have, not because of what he actually did. Those teams were most likely waiting for the second round since less people watch it and the pick would have been one amongst hundreds made that day. Following the criticism the Habs received after drafting him, it shouldn't be surprising that no one would publicly declare that they're willing to let him play. Let's be real, the only reason the OHL banned him was because people were upset. If no one cared or said anything, he would 100% be in the OHL.

16 дней назад
Matt Northmore
Matt Northmore

@Archer143 Where was that posted... someone in Mtl trying to save the habs some face. Not a single mention anywhere of any team in any league willing to let him play, except the habs. Hell even the OHL said good bye

16 дней назад
Archer143
Archer143

@Matt Northmore Apparently, a lot of teams said that they would have drafted him in the second round. They simply didn’t want to draft him in the first round.

16 дней назад
Jozef Radvanszki
Jozef Radvanszki

@Matt Northmore From professional perspective, his boss is the GM who apparently gave him another chance. The fact that you want further repercussions for a person who was already legally punished and who you have never met tells everyone everything they need to know about you, lil online lyncher. Whatever makes you feel better about your life, I guess.

16 дней назад
Matt Northmore
Matt Northmore

@Jozef Radvanszki In ANY profession your personal actions do indeed have repercussions. The fact that you believe otherwise tells everyone everything they need to know about you.

16 дней назад
jdb
jdb

Kotkaniemi will surprise a lot of people especially if hes put on a line with aho-teravainen

17 дней назад
Raymond Clouston
Raymond Clouston

@jdb sure..you can telll by how Carolina made the playoffs and went to the Stanley Cup….wait a minute…

16 дней назад
Raymond Clouston
Raymond Clouston

@jdb and probably no where to be seen when it doesn’t…

16 дней назад
V for Vegan
V for Vegan

@jdb Ya thats why Canes went to the finals and Montreal didn't...oh wait 🤣🤡

16 дней назад
jdb
jdb

@nono yeah but carolina is a lot better than MTL🤡

16 дней назад
nono
nono

He didn't prove anything when playing in wing...

16 дней назад
STRONZO
STRONZO

The problem is not the development. It's the weak choices. Looking at you Timmins...

17 дней назад
Francis Voyer
Francis Voyer

@STRONZO Timmins has been great with his 2nd to 7th round picks still, he’s doing ok, Montréal got unlucky a bunch of times with the players development too

17 дней назад
STRONZO
STRONZO

@Will E. Nor great. Lots of misses in his long career. When he leaves I'll be partying.

17 дней назад
Will E.
Will E.

Meh, Timmins drafted Caufield, even refusing to trade the pick to Vegas when he was called.. No one hits on every selection, but Timmins hasn't been bad

17 дней назад
Oz
Oz

Narrator: They will not learn.

17 дней назад
Disciple of Ole
Disciple of Ole

I'm a Habs fan, I wouldn't trade KK for Dvorak. Well played Carolina... however I think this is far from over. & Montreal isn't a team you want holding a grudge especially when you bleed money...😏

17 дней назад
Disciple of Ole
Disciple of Ole

@Dennis A What?

16 дней назад
Joseph Sigal
Joseph Sigal

@Baz Mitch Carolina should've offer sheeted her then 🤦 Probably wouldn't have costed 'em 6.1mil

16 дней назад
Dennis A
Dennis A

@Disciple of Ole So you digressed into this...wow. I thought you could t least be sensible but the my way is right and everyone else is stupid attitude makes me understand what I am dealing with. No open point of view and your opinion is fact....don't bother writing back, won't respond to someone this childish.

16 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

@Disciple of Ole ive had people tell me that Dvorak is going to do what Danault and KK did combined 🤦🏼‍♂️

16 дней назад
Panaramaman
Panaramaman

@Disciple of Ole Sorry but some Habs fans have the same attitude as some Leafs fans; they try to spin anything and everything as a win. People come to me telling that Habs got stronger this offseason, while losing Danault(for nothing) and KK. They are riding a high from the SCF, I feel bad for the fans just like you once the season starts and you get demolished. GL next season though.

16 дней назад
isthatyoubetha
isthatyoubetha

Canadiens will learn from how Galchenyuk's development was handled

17 дней назад
Bernard Yu
Bernard Yu

Oh please. At some point a player needs to hold himself accountable. He simply didn't put in the work he needed to. The Pens, Coyotes, Sens, Wild, and Leafs realized that as well. Aside from that awful giveaway against the Habs that led to a 2 on 0 and an OT loss, it looks like he's working harder now. Good luck to him.

7 дней назад
Pascal Goulet-Barrette
Pascal Goulet-Barrette

Galchenyuk was terrible as a center, Therrien was terrible with him. But the habs didn't ruin Galchenyuk. He left after a 51 points seasons on a mediocre team. Galchenyuk's decline is his own fault.

17 дней назад

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